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Mark Taylor's avatar

The only difference between the two parties is that the Republicans are honestly dishonest while the Democrats are dishonestly dishonest. End result with both is the same: genocide; corporate control and corruption, climate collapse and mean vicious government that actively starves and kills children and shields child rapists and traffickers.

The good news is the largest potential voting block at just under 40% is independents. The two parties evenly divide the remaining pool of voters which means presidents are currently elected with just a tad over 20% of potential eligible voters. Not exactly a government "of the people" and certainly not a legitimate government.

In such a corrupt system, non-voting at the federal level may be the most effective thing one can do. Adding to the evidence of illegitimacy undermines any pretense that those who "win" elections are legitimate.

Diana van Eyk's avatar

I had a friend who didn't believe Israel was committing genocide in Gaza a few years ago, and we had a disagreement about it. Although I knew this person well enough to point them in the direction of a conversation Naomi Klein had with Bernie Sanders about how she couldn't support the Dems after Biden's support for genocide. But then the clincher was Avi Lewis, who we're both a fan of, running for and then being elected as the leader of the NDP here in Canada, and he calls genocide for what it is, as did the rest of the candidates.https://lewisisleader.ca/

I love this person a lot, so didn't bring it up again. It must be terrible to only have two parties to choose from, both beholden to the billionaire class and neither of which care about the interests of ordinary people. That can hardly be called a democracy.

Mark Taylor's avatar

Yes, Diana, the American system is a "DeMOCKracy".

Celine C.'s avatar

There are a lot of duopolists who don't give a shit about anyone but themselves. They just hate Trump and long for a handsome, smooth talking dictator in charge instead. They're prime candidates for Zionists to latch onto and use in their quest to wipe out everyone who disagrees with them. Until they suffer directly from the BNMW/zionist agenda, there's possibly no getting through to them. But keep planting seeds in their minds... One day they could surprise us all.

Mary Wildfire's avatar

Yes, the carping against the MOU--which DOES give the Iranians everything, but is also justice--is stupid. Ending ANY war is a good thing. War is where people from one place go out and deliberately kill lots of people elsewhere, and damage important infrastructure, cause maiming and create widows and orphans. Stopping such activity--and not starting it in the first place--is so obviously the right thing that apparently it can be hard to grasp.

Perhaps a lot of the reason Dems and BNMWs are making these statements is not pro-Zionism but just mindless opportunism to take a shot at Trump they think might be effective. Even, that they know the war is costing Trump and so they think the longer it goes on, the better their chances in November.

But I am skeptical that either a Dem landslide OR a Green one, would make much difference--I think this horrible system is locked into place and mere elections will change little.

Thor Swayze's avatar

Blaine MacKinnon

*It’s The System Stupid*

“Building a real alternative to the Democrats requires class independence first and foremost. Whether this means a workers’ party or some other formation is not clear.

But we have to draw a clear class line in the 2016 election and reject the Green Party once and for all.

Instead of dangerous half-measures like the Stein campaign, socialists should support explicitly socialist candidates. Such campaigns have no chance of winning, but neither will the Stein campaign.

Far more important, at the current time, is to use the election to reach people with a genuine socialist message, which we can’t do while pushing a Green Party campaign.” - Wayne Stephen, June 8, 2016

Celine C.'s avatar

It's 2026 not 2016. Live in the present not the past.